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		<title>By: John From</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>John From</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post,

To the nay sayers: read the article again, it is just stating how much LAND is required, not a complete system by any stretch of the imagination, nor does the poster even imply that it is.

This is something we are planning on when we purchase our house, along with a number of other options to take ourselves off the grid and to supplment our food budget (which is you haven't noticed yet we are at the beginning of a world wide food crisis). 

The short answer is that is entirely possible if you are not a slave to your existing work, I took a job that allows me to work from home and doesn't require my absolute devotion of all my time. My wife is a stay at home mother and would like to stay that way, this type of ideal would allow her to continue to do so and my son can help out as well. 

Yes it is WORK, but it real work for youself and that is more rewarding than anything else. No one who is serious about this doesn't understand that is alot of work but it completely doable. Oh noes I won't have time to watch TV, boo hoo, I prefer to read which can be done at any time.

We are looking at using Solar, wind (water if we can get land with a good stream/creek), biomass etc for power generation but we don't expect to turn into land loving hippies.

I don't think most of the naysayers really understand how fragile out current infrastructure is (any one remember the NA blackout in 2003, imagine if you can if it lasted a couple of weeks or months, good bye current society).

planning to be as self sufficient as possible is just smart, thinking that the status quo will last forever is stupid, it never has in history and it never will.

Thanks for the info, it has helped my planning.

Cheers!</description>
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<p>To the nay sayers: read the article again, it is just stating how much LAND is required, not a complete system by any stretch of the imagination, nor does the poster even imply that it is.</p>
<p>This is something we are planning on when we purchase our house, along with a number of other options to take ourselves off the grid and to supplment our food budget (which is you haven&#8217;t noticed yet we are at the beginning of a world wide food crisis). </p>
<p>The short answer is that is entirely possible if you are not a slave to your existing work, I took a job that allows me to work from home and doesn&#8217;t require my absolute devotion of all my time. My wife is a stay at home mother and would like to stay that way, this type of ideal would allow her to continue to do so and my son can help out as well. </p>
<p>Yes it is WORK, but it real work for youself and that is more rewarding than anything else. No one who is serious about this doesn&#8217;t understand that is alot of work but it completely doable. Oh noes I won&#8217;t have time to watch TV, boo hoo, I prefer to read which can be done at any time.</p>
<p>We are looking at using Solar, wind (water if we can get land with a good stream/creek), biomass etc for power generation but we don&#8217;t expect to turn into land loving hippies.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think most of the naysayers really understand how fragile out current infrastructure is (any one remember the NA blackout in 2003, imagine if you can if it lasted a couple of weeks or months, good bye current society).</p>
<p>planning to be as self sufficient as possible is just smart, thinking that the status quo will last forever is stupid, it never has in history and it never will.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info, it has helped my planning.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Pizzarezept</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>Pizzarezept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-1023</guid>
		<description>Well, I suggest that we start living in communities with a centralized kitchen! According to your number, it the communities should have round about 1,000 members...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suggest that we start living in communities with a centralized kitchen! According to your number, it the communities should have round about 1,000 members&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: self sufficient life &#187; How much land can feed a family?</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>self sufficient life &#187; How much land can feed a family?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-284</guid>
		<description>[...] how practical it would be where we live. A little more research on the subject lead me to a great article by Greenspree, which takes a detailed look at how much food a family needs and the yields per acre for different [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] how practical it would be where we live. A little more research on the subject lead me to a great article by Greenspree, which takes a detailed look at how much food a family needs and the yields per acre for different [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Top Enviromental News &#187; Growing All The Food Your Family Needs For A Year On Half An Acre Or Less</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Enviromental News &#187; Growing All The Food Your Family Needs For A Year On Half An Acre Or Less</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read more &#124; digg story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Edwards</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>James Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-242</guid>
		<description>I'm ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with the idea of being a COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT Human being... I think it has something to do with my hatred of taxes... I'm always tearing the internet apart, and making notes on ways to live off the land... Not hardcore, Bear Grylls style... but I've been studying Yurt construction, farming practices, and small-scale farming practices. This page has answered a question I've been asking myself for more than a few of my 21 years... and It's comforting to know that I could grow my own food on less than an acre... I have a good mental image of what an acre looks like, and though it's no patio garden, it IS manageable, especially since When I think of self sufficiency, I don't see myself gardening for half the day, and then jumping in my car and driving 15 miles to an office, so I can take orders from the man... I would be looking for a way to never have to earn money again... because green paper dilutes the meaning of working hard for what you need to survive... I wonder how many of the posters on this page have ever read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged... I'm still in the middle, where they've created they're own community. I envision something like that, I draw the line at metal foundry's though... I wouldn't want to rape a mountain of it's metal substance... more druidic in that respect... oh, I play dnd too... anyway, if anyone has anymore sites that are worth a good look, or an ongoing discussion, I'd love to get it on it... I'll check back...

Have a Time!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with the idea of being a COMPLETELY SELF-SUFFICIENT Human being&#8230; I think it has something to do with my hatred of taxes&#8230; I&#8217;m always tearing the internet apart, and making notes on ways to live off the land&#8230; Not hardcore, Bear Grylls style&#8230; but I&#8217;ve been studying Yurt construction, farming practices, and small-scale farming practices. This page has answered a question I&#8217;ve been asking myself for more than a few of my 21 years&#8230; and It&#8217;s comforting to know that I could grow my own food on less than an acre&#8230; I have a good mental image of what an acre looks like, and though it&#8217;s no patio garden, it IS manageable, especially since When I think of self sufficiency, I don&#8217;t see myself gardening for half the day, and then jumping in my car and driving 15 miles to an office, so I can take orders from the man&#8230; I would be looking for a way to never have to earn money again&#8230; because green paper dilutes the meaning of working hard for what you need to survive&#8230; I wonder how many of the posters on this page have ever read Ayn Rand&#8217;s Atlas Shrugged&#8230; I&#8217;m still in the middle, where they&#8217;ve created they&#8217;re own community. I envision something like that, I draw the line at metal foundry&#8217;s though&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t want to rape a mountain of it&#8217;s metal substance&#8230; more druidic in that respect&#8230; oh, I play dnd too&#8230; anyway, if anyone has anymore sites that are worth a good look, or an ongoing discussion, I&#8217;d love to get it on it&#8230; I&#8217;ll check back&#8230;</p>
<p>Have a Time!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nessala</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Nessala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-226</guid>
		<description>great discussion, this answered a lot of questions for me...keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great discussion, this answered a lot of questions for me&#8230;keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wilson</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-214</guid>
		<description>Wait until the distribution systems collapses, or food gets so costly to move from one end of the country to the other (not to mention overseas) that you and I cannot afford it. All these calculations (which are great - exactly what I was looking for) will go out the window and most folks will wish they had learned how to grow their own food, work and "costs" be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until the distribution systems collapses, or food gets so costly to move from one end of the country to the other (not to mention overseas) that you and I cannot afford it. All these calculations (which are great - exactly what I was looking for) will go out the window and most folks will wish they had learned how to grow their own food, work and &#8220;costs&#8221; be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dora Renee' Wilkerson</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Dora Renee' Wilkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-197</guid>
		<description>Wow, that's great information. 

We do a little here and there at our home in Ohio but with our new place in Alabama we plan to do more.

Right now I am growing sprouts for my chickens. Easy to do and doesn't take up any outdoor room (I am doing it in the house.) I think it's pretty cool.

Anyway, loved reading your post.

Dora Renee' Wilkerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s great information. </p>
<p>We do a little here and there at our home in Ohio but with our new place in Alabama we plan to do more.</p>
<p>Right now I am growing sprouts for my chickens. Easy to do and doesn&#8217;t take up any outdoor room (I am doing it in the house.) I think it&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>
<p>Anyway, loved reading your post.</p>
<p>Dora Renee&#8217; Wilkerson</p>
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		<title>By: Affiliate Marketing Forum</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Affiliate Marketing Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-187</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is everything about marketing?...&lt;/strong&gt;

I searched for this article about how much land it takes to feed a person so that he can be self sufficient.

Self Sufficiency

It's about 0.1 acres per person (Of course you gotta also combine yo......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is everything about marketing?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I searched for this article about how much land it takes to feed a person so that he can be self sufficient.</p>
<p>Self Sufficiency</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about 0.1 acres per person (Of course you gotta also combine yo&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wecare</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>wecare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/17/self-sufficiency/#comment-110</guid>
		<description>I find your figures to be pretty accurate, I have been checking into square foot gardening and rotating crops and figuring lower than what plants say they will produce still would have enough for my family of 6 and a couple neighbors with a 50 x 50 (that's raised beds 4 foot walk ways).

As far as the chickens go, I have a hen that has set every year now for three years. We never bother her nest which she loves to hide behind our tool box.
She has three nests every year without fail, her lowest hatch was 14 her highest 24 but she usually comes closer to 18 or 19. In all reality a good hen is worth her weight in gold. We was very lucky that she and her off spring all have a big urge to set nests, she was our first out of 3 years to do so. We have always used incubators to hatch ours. So far all of her offspring have also been setters (the ones we kept). 1 good hen if temps don't get really hot or really cold will lay an egg every 25 hours for 10-11 months, depending on her molting time. We eat a lot of eggs and give eggs to friends and feed to other animals and still get over run at times with around 25 hens.

I know what you mean about not much time in the garden, I planted, water with a sprinkler, have very few weeds (due to planting thick), and my 3 year old grandson will throw fits if he doesn't get to do the harvest no matter how big.

Thank you for the article........ now if I could just figure out my ducks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find your figures to be pretty accurate, I have been checking into square foot gardening and rotating crops and figuring lower than what plants say they will produce still would have enough for my family of 6 and a couple neighbors with a 50 x 50 (that&#8217;s raised beds 4 foot walk ways).</p>
<p>As far as the chickens go, I have a hen that has set every year now for three years. We never bother her nest which she loves to hide behind our tool box.<br />
She has three nests every year without fail, her lowest hatch was 14 her highest 24 but she usually comes closer to 18 or 19. In all reality a good hen is worth her weight in gold. We was very lucky that she and her off spring all have a big urge to set nests, she was our first out of 3 years to do so. We have always used incubators to hatch ours. So far all of her offspring have also been setters (the ones we kept). 1 good hen if temps don&#8217;t get really hot or really cold will lay an egg every 25 hours for 10-11 months, depending on her molting time. We eat a lot of eggs and give eggs to friends and feed to other animals and still get over run at times with around 25 hens.</p>
<p>I know what you mean about not much time in the garden, I planted, water with a sprinkler, have very few weeds (due to planting thick), and my 3 year old grandson will throw fits if he doesn&#8217;t get to do the harvest no matter how big.</p>
<p>Thank you for the article&#8230;&#8230;.. now if I could just figure out my ducks?</p>
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