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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by Can Your Raised Vegetable Garden Make You Self Sufficient? &#124; Raised Vegetable Garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can Your Raised Vegetable Garden Make You Self Sufficient? &#124; Raised Vegetable Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This observation:

&lt;em&gt;Working a few hours a week - let’s say 100 hours a year - to save $2800 a year, only makes sense from an economic point of view if you’re earning less than $28 an hour.&lt;/em&gt;

Only makes sense if you are taking time off work in order to manage your garden.  I&#039;d advise taking time away from television viewing which would in turn save money in health costs due to inactivity.</description>
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<p><em>Working a few hours a week &#8211; let’s say 100 hours a year &#8211; to save $2800 a year, only makes sense from an economic point of view if you’re earning less than $28 an hour.</em></p>
<p>Only makes sense if you are taking time off work in order to manage your garden.  I&#8217;d advise taking time away from television viewing which would in turn save money in health costs due to inactivity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chest Fridge Controversy by Darren (Green Change)</title>
		<link>http://thesietch.org/mysietch/greenspree/2007/07/16/chest-fridge-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-7906</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren (Green Change)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve built a chest fridge too, and have had exactly the same experience as Bill above. This thing is super-efficient, and for our purposes (storing milk, juice, wine, etc) I think it actually fits more in, with more convenient access, than a conventional upright fridge of the same size. I wouldn&#039;t want to make it my primary fridge unless the energy use was a major issue (e.g. living off-grid), but it&#039;s fantastic as a second fridge.

http://green-change.com/2009/05/23/chest-fridge-conversion/

For all the theory I&#039;ve seen espoused on forums and in weblog comments, nothing beats actual practical measurements. My chest fridge is using 1/10th of the electricity of the fridge/freezer combo it replaced (we weren&#039;t actually using the freezer section anyway!). Plus it only cost me $140 (AUD) to buy, including the thermostat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve built a chest fridge too, and have had exactly the same experience as Bill above. This thing is super-efficient, and for our purposes (storing milk, juice, wine, etc) I think it actually fits more in, with more convenient access, than a conventional upright fridge of the same size. I wouldn&#8217;t want to make it my primary fridge unless the energy use was a major issue (e.g. living off-grid), but it&#8217;s fantastic as a second fridge.</p>
<p><a href="http://green-change.com/2009/05/23/chest-fridge-conversion/" rel="nofollow">http://green-change.com/2009/05/23/chest-fridge-conversion/</a></p>
<p>For all the theory I&#8217;ve seen espoused on forums and in weblog comments, nothing beats actual practical measurements. My chest fridge is using 1/10th of the electricity of the fridge/freezer combo it replaced (we weren&#8217;t actually using the freezer section anyway!). Plus it only cost me $140 (AUD) to buy, including the thermostat!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Heat Loss Myths by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I aplaud you for really going the distance and building a nice sustainable home with all the bells and whistles, most existing home do not have thermal mass walls and ceilings. In existing homes, i highly recommend a radiant barrier to reflect radiant heat back into the structure (or out in the summer) and of course a good closed cell foam is the best insulation (other than earth walls). Also, dont forget to get windows with thermal breaks in the frame so you dont loose heat from conduction through the fram and pane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I aplaud you for really going the distance and building a nice sustainable home with all the bells and whistles, most existing home do not have thermal mass walls and ceilings. In existing homes, i highly recommend a radiant barrier to reflect radiant heat back into the structure (or out in the summer) and of course a good closed cell foam is the best insulation (other than earth walls). Also, dont forget to get windows with thermal breaks in the frame so you dont loose heat from conduction through the fram and pane.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised at the number of nay-sayers in the comments. A garden doesn&#039;t require the amount of time or money that they seem to think it does.

The only tools I use are a  spade, a fork, a set of hand clippers, and a knife. If you have to use anything more than that, then you are a farmer, not a gardener. I have been using the French Intensive method for the last ten years or so. My beds are over a foot tall now. They were originally flush with the ground. All I have ever added to them is compost from the compost pile. I&#039;m as interested in growing my soil as I am growing my vegetables.

In the spring and summer I average an hour a day in the garden. Not necessarily because it needs an hour of work. Some days I make work for myself just to be out there. In the winter I only spend about two hours a week, messing with cold frames so that we have something fresh to supplement the stuff we canned, froze, or stored. It is true that when canning season starts I&#039;ll be busy with it almost all of the weekends. I don&#039;t mind. What I put up in those weekends lasts all winter long.

Last year a little over 85% of what we ate (measured in calories) came from the garden. We grew all of this in the small backyard of a small house in the middle of a city. The only things we bought at the store were salt, wheat flour, olive oil, and citrus fruit. We traded tomatoes during their peak with a few neighbors for picking rights to pear and apple trees that they previously let rot. They would have let us have the fruit for free, but I like to keep things even, and I tend to have more tomatoes than I can can up in a weekend.

If it came down to it, we could be self sufficient. All it would take is a little more work on my part. I&#039;m in a position now where I do just enough to enjoy it without it becoming a chore. I don&#039;t feel like growing and grinding my own wheat. Olive, orange, lemon, and lime trees don&#039;t grow very well at all around here, but we could work around that.

If you do things right you will save money. You will save a lot of money. You will be healthier. You will be happier. Keep in mind here that I&#039;m not a hippie or anything like that. I got into all this because I didn&#039;t want to work forty hours a week. I made a deal with my wife where I would work twenty hours a week and supplement the missing income with an equivalent amount of food from the garden. If it didn&#039;t work I would go back to working full time. By the end of my first year I broke even on the missing income. At the end of the second year I had a surplus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised at the number of nay-sayers in the comments. A garden doesn&#8217;t require the amount of time or money that they seem to think it does.</p>
<p>The only tools I use are a  spade, a fork, a set of hand clippers, and a knife. If you have to use anything more than that, then you are a farmer, not a gardener. I have been using the French Intensive method for the last ten years or so. My beds are over a foot tall now. They were originally flush with the ground. All I have ever added to them is compost from the compost pile. I&#8217;m as interested in growing my soil as I am growing my vegetables.</p>
<p>In the spring and summer I average an hour a day in the garden. Not necessarily because it needs an hour of work. Some days I make work for myself just to be out there. In the winter I only spend about two hours a week, messing with cold frames so that we have something fresh to supplement the stuff we canned, froze, or stored. It is true that when canning season starts I&#8217;ll be busy with it almost all of the weekends. I don&#8217;t mind. What I put up in those weekends lasts all winter long.</p>
<p>Last year a little over 85% of what we ate (measured in calories) came from the garden. We grew all of this in the small backyard of a small house in the middle of a city. The only things we bought at the store were salt, wheat flour, olive oil, and citrus fruit. We traded tomatoes during their peak with a few neighbors for picking rights to pear and apple trees that they previously let rot. They would have let us have the fruit for free, but I like to keep things even, and I tend to have more tomatoes than I can can up in a weekend.</p>
<p>If it came down to it, we could be self sufficient. All it would take is a little more work on my part. I&#8217;m in a position now where I do just enough to enjoy it without it becoming a chore. I don&#8217;t feel like growing and grinding my own wheat. Olive, orange, lemon, and lime trees don&#8217;t grow very well at all around here, but we could work around that.</p>
<p>If you do things right you will save money. You will save a lot of money. You will be healthier. You will be happier. Keep in mind here that I&#8217;m not a hippie or anything like that. I got into all this because I didn&#8217;t want to work forty hours a week. I made a deal with my wife where I would work twenty hours a week and supplement the missing income with an equivalent amount of food from the garden. If it didn&#8217;t work I would go back to working full time. By the end of my first year I broke even on the missing income. At the end of the second year I had a surplus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Green Baby Care by Kelly H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! I didn&#039;t see the date on the blog entry--you&#039;re baby is probably NOT beyond baby food yet!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Green Baby Care by Kelly H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like you already practice &quot;green&quot; baby care!  Hand me downs, better diapers, etc...  I would suggest, though your baby is probably beyond baby food now, pureeing your own food rather than buying jars of baby food.  You have complete control over what your baby eats, you can freeze it in ice-cube trays and then toss them in a container in the freezeer, and the baby gets used to eating what the rest of the family eats!  As for wipes, we make our own, too!  If you add a drop of tea tree oil to the warm water, it&#039;s very soothing and healing for an irritated bottom.  Be careful to only use a drop, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you already practice &#8220;green&#8221; baby care!  Hand me downs, better diapers, etc&#8230;  I would suggest, though your baby is probably beyond baby food now, pureeing your own food rather than buying jars of baby food.  You have complete control over what your baby eats, you can freeze it in ice-cube trays and then toss them in a container in the freezeer, and the baby gets used to eating what the rest of the family eats!  As for wipes, we make our own, too!  If you add a drop of tea tree oil to the warm water, it&#8217;s very soothing and healing for an irritated bottom.  Be careful to only use a drop, though!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and interesting comments - truly inspiring. 

I would love to have a crack at living off-grid. I&#039;m looking to buy a house in the Austrian countryside soon for my family (three kids, one wife) and giving it a go. I currently know very little about off-grid life, but am reading voraciously.

I anticipate a very rapid learning curve - the thought of all the generations of peasants in history, who knew more about farming than I ever will, still suffering from periodic bouts of starvation and lean years does fill me with some trepidation. This makes me think that true self-sufficiency, even at the small community level, although certainly a worthy goal that should be striven for, is unachievable. Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and interesting comments &#8211; truly inspiring. </p>
<p>I would love to have a crack at living off-grid. I&#8217;m looking to buy a house in the Austrian countryside soon for my family (three kids, one wife) and giving it a go. I currently know very little about off-grid life, but am reading voraciously.</p>
<p>I anticipate a very rapid learning curve &#8211; the thought of all the generations of peasants in history, who knew more about farming than I ever will, still suffering from periodic bouts of starvation and lean years does fill me with some trepidation. This makes me think that true self-sufficiency, even at the small community level, although certainly a worthy goal that should be striven for, is unachievable. Am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by katharine</title>
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		<dc:creator>katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the information.  I&#039;m trying to figure how much we can get from our land in the northwest of Spain.  We have 200 square meters, with a well and Northern Spain has an excellent growing environment, wet but never too hot or too cold, avg 25 to 30 celcius in the summer and 15 to 20 in the winter.  By your rekoning it looks like we could do well for ourselves with about 300 square meters, but I am still looking to buy more, or sell the house and get another with more land before we retire there in two years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the information.  I&#8217;m trying to figure how much we can get from our land in the northwest of Spain.  We have 200 square meters, with a well and Northern Spain has an excellent growing environment, wet but never too hot or too cold, avg 25 to 30 celcius in the summer and 15 to 20 in the winter.  By your rekoning it looks like we could do well for ourselves with about 300 square meters, but I am still looking to buy more, or sell the house and get another with more land before we retire there in two years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Sufficiency by john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one also should consider hydroponics and aguaponics as a source of year round food supply--in this case possibly one or two small green houses could support the family especially if you use vertical growing methods</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one also should consider hydroponics and aguaponics as a source of year round food supply&#8211;in this case possibly one or two small green houses could support the family especially if you use vertical growing methods</p>
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